Saturday, February 9, 2008
ASPECTS OF THE JOURNEY...........
THERE ARE THE ASPECTS OF GOOD GOVERNANCE IN COUNTRIES AND IN BUSINESS.
WHAT ABOUT THESE ASPECTS IN ONE’S PERSONAL LIFE.?
WHERE IS THE EMPHASIS PLACED IN GROWING UP AND HOW TO SURVIVE EMOTIONALLY AND MENTALLY?
DOES IT BECOME A SITUATION WHERE ONE HAS SOME KIND OF POT LUCK IN MAKING IT THROUGH THE TEENS AND THEN THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES.
HOW FIXED ON A POINT ARE THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU?
ARE YOU ABLE TO MOVE THE POINT OF ASSEMBLAGE? ---ARRIVING AT A POINT IN ONE’S LIFE, WHERE THE THOUGHT ARE:-----" THIS IS IT ."
DOES ONE ACCEPT IT.
THERE ARE MANY WHO WOULD.
IT WOULD BE LIKE A WHOLE VILLAGE OR CITY WHERE THE IDEAL IS TO BE PRESENT EVERY SINGLE MORNING AND EVENING IN THE MOST AMAZING, INSPIRING BUILDING IN THE CENTRE OF THIS COMMUNITY.
EVERYONE WOULD DREAM AND WORK TOWARDS IT.
FOR SOME IT WOULD BE EASY---THEY WOULD GET IN WITHOUT DOING MUCH OF ANYTHING.
OTHERS WOULD TAKE YEARS OF HARD WORK AND PERSEVERANCE AND THEN OTHERS STILL, WOULD NOT MAKE IT.
THERE WOULD BE SOME WHO WOULD NOT EVEN TRY AND THEY WOULD WALK ON BY AND LIVE THEIR LIVES BY ANOTHER MEASURE.
WHO ARE THE LUCKY ONES?
IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE PERCEPTION AND HOW FAR AND MUCH, ONE HAD DEVELOPED ONE’S INDIVIDUAL THOUGHT PROCESSES.
THE ONE’S THAT ATTAINED ACCESS TO THIS BUILDING AND WERE RELIGIOUSLY THERE, EVERY MORNING AND EVENING---DID THEY MAKE IT? ----ARE THEY BETTER OFF AND LUCKIER THAN ALL THE OTHERS?
AGAIN IT DEPENDS ON PERCEPTIONS AND WHAT ONE IS PREPARED TO ACCEPT FOR ONESELF.
WHAT IS THE TRUTH?
IS IT THE INDIVIDUAL’S TRUTH?
IS IT THE COMMUNITY’S TRUTH?
IS IT A TRUTH THAT WAS THERE, SO IT MUST BE THE TRUTH?
IS IT A UNIVERSAL TRUTH?
A TRUTH THAT THAT DOES NOT PRESENT ANY POINT OF VIEW, BIAS OR FAVOUR ANY PARTICULAR GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL ACTION.
IT IS, BECAUSE IT IS.
WHERE DOES YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL TRUTH LIE?
HOW FAR ARE YOU WILLING TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE AND DISTURB YOUR PRESENT PEALITY AND TRUTH TO DISCOVER AN AUTHENTIC AND UNIVERSAL TRUTH?
IS THERE A WILLINGNESS TO FIND OUT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN WRONG OR MAYBE A FEW DEGREES OFF.
IS THERE THE CURIOSITY TO DISCOVER SOMETHING NEW, OTHER THAN THAT WHICH HAS BEEN PROGRAMMED INTO YOU SINCE BIRTH.
IS THERE THE COURAGE TO PROCEED WITH A PROCESS, ONE OF MANY, THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY CHANGE YOUR LIFE?
HOW FAR ARE YOU WILLING TO FALL ON THE SWORD OF YOUR OWN MAKING AND PERHAPS TAKE ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY?
IF YOU PERHAPS THINK THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN IN YOUR PRESENT STATE OF MIND, THEN WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE.
HOW MUCH OF THE EMOTIONAL ENERGY OF THE PAST ARE YOU HOLDING ONTO?
WHAT IS YOUR PAYBACK FOR NOT LETTING GO?
WHAT KEEPS YOU IMMOBOLISED AND ON A SELF PERPETUATING TRACK?
IS THERE ANY OF THE CHILDLIKE ENTHUSIASM THAT YOU ONCE HAD?
WHAT STEPS ARE YOU PREPARED TO TAKE TO CHANGE THE STATUS QUO /
ARE YOU WILLING TO ADMIT THE TRUTH OF THE SITUATION TO YOURSELF?
WHEN YOU ARE FACED WITH THE CROSSROADS, ARE YOU ABLE TO DISCERN THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE CHOICES IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND.
THE CHOICE IS NOT TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE STIMULUS/ EVENT, BUT IT IS HOW ONE PERCEIVES THE EVENT AND WHAT SORT OF EMOTIONAL ENERGY ARE YOU WILLING TO INVEST IN THIS EVENT AND FOR HOW LONG.
THERE IS MUCH MORE THAT IS UNSEEN THAN IS SEEN.
IT IS AN OBLIGATION TO MOVE THAT LINE AND EXTENDS ONESELF, TO BE ABLE TO DISCOVER THE POTENTIAL AND THE GIFTS THAT LIE JUST BENEATH THE SURFACE.
BUT FIRST ONE HAS TO BE ABLE TO REPROGRAM ONESELF AND NOT RESPOND TO THE CONDITIONING OF THE PAST.
WE ALL HAVE THE WHERE WITHALL TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND OURSELVES.
IN WHAT DIRECTION IS A CHOICE AND A MATTER OF FREE WILL?
WHAT MAKES EXERCISING OF ONE’S FREE WILL AND CHOICE, SUCH A DIFFICULT ENDEAVOUR?
BACK TO THE CONDITIONING AND BEING TOLD WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN ONE’S LIFE WHEN ONE WAS YOUNGER.
COMMERCIAL INTERESTS OUTWEIGH THE DEVELOPMENT AT CERTAIN LEVELS.
WE ARE TOLD HOW SOCIETY WANTS US TO CONFORM AND TO FIT INTO THE NORMS AND EVEN IF ONE REBELS, THEY ARE STILL FOLLOWERS OF COMMERCIALISM.
THIS IS OF COURSE IN THE WEST.
IN THE EAST THE APPROACH IS TO ACCEPT ONE’S FATE FOR WHAT IT IS OR FOLLOW AN IDEOLOGY BLINDLY.
TO BELIEVE AND HAVE FAITH IS GOOD.
TO FOLLOW ANYTHING IN THE NARROW PARAMETERS OF SOMEONE ELSES PERCEPTIONS WITHOUT SEEING THE WHOLE IS JUST AS DAMAGING.
HOW DOES ONE WALK A MIDDLE ROAD WITHOUT INFLATING ONE’S OWN BELIEFS AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS?
IT IS A QUESTION OF HOW DOES ONE BE AN INDIVIDUAL AND AT THE SAME TIME, BE IN HARMONY WITH OTHERS, NO MATTER ON THEIR GROUPINGS OR AFFILIATIONS.
WHEN ONE CAN STEP UP TO THE PLATE OF SEEING AND INCORPORATE THE UNIVERSAL VALUES AND BEING IN A STATE OF KNOWINGNESS, THEN ONE HAS TRULY WALKED A LONG AND ARDUOUS PATH TO FIND THE ULTIMATE REWARDS DWELLING IN A SPIRITUAL SPHERE OF EVOLVEMENT.
TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN TWO WORLD OF REALITY, UNTIL ONE IS ABLE TO ASSIMILATE ALL INTO ONE’S BEING, DISCOVERING THE ESSENCE OF SELF AND TRANSCENDING THE PERCEIVED REALITY.
IN THE PROCESS, THE MISTS OF MISCONCEPTION DISSIPATE, AS THE VEILS OF A LAYERED PERCEPTION ARE RAISED IN THE DISCOVERY OF SELF AND ALL AROUND ONE.
THIS IS WHERE THE HOPE AND THE FAITH LIES.
IN THE ESSENCE OF MANKIND LIES THE ANSWERS TO ALL.
THIS PROCESS DOES NOT COME FROM GOVERNMENTS, LEADERS, POLITICAL, RELIGIOUS OR OTHERWISE----IT IS AN ORGANIC INDIVIDUAL PROCESS, WHICH WHEN WORKED ON BY THE MANY, WOULD HAVE A PROFOUND EFFECT ON LIFE AS WE KNOW IT.
EACH INDIVIDUAL HAS THE POWER TO MOVE THE PROCESS FOR THEM AND FOR THE REST OF HUMANITY.
UNTIL WE REACH A BIFURCATION POINT, WHEN ALL IS POSSIBLE AND WILL CHANGE, WE MUST ENDEAVOUR TO KEEP ON TREADING OUR OWN PATHS OF SELF DISCOVERY AND ENLIGHTENMENT, TO EMPOWER OURSELVES AND THEN THE REST WILL FOLLOW.
SET THE INTENTION, SHIFT THE MIND AND THE RESULTS WILL FOLLOW.
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Who are the lucky ones... depends on our own definition of luck. One would accept that his life is blessed and yet in relatively there are those more priviliged and still would consider their's a curse....
Is it apathy or awareness and being involved in the process which leads as through the journey?
Self truth will always be connceted with the Universal truth for we are a part of the whole...
Change depends on what the Status quo is... if in the negative then there should be trial de nuovo...if it is in the positive then not an amendment but only a revision of one's life... like a good constitution.
We have free will but to exercise it ..we must be guided... one's right to do so ends when the right of another begins.
in setting an intention the mind should be open s as to look through its lucidity in a clear view thus a desirable result is at hand........
again nice journey
good day... i have mentioned your name in my last posts
anto
piercing the veil,
thanks for the response--
it is always the awareness that will enhance the journey--there will always be some who are still on their own journeys and display apathy.
the question is does one live up the the purpose of one's spiritual obligation--and this does not mean religious--
thank you very much for your input here and great job with your original comments response transposed onto your posting---a catalytic moment-
take care
coffee brewing i hope!
It is all in how you look at it isn't it?
Many many thoughts came to mind as I read this Derick.
z,
perception is important, but it imperative to discover the authentic self. as long as one is open to newness and different thoughts the perception is bound to change.
that is the most exciting part of the journey...
thanks
take care
we all at one time fall on the sword of our own making or the sword of anothers making...the secret is to walk your own path discovering the world within and without but remembering that not everyone travels the same path or is even interested in traveling that path...do we shun them or cut them out of our existance or could a person mabey learn from them as well....when you think you know everything ..thats when you start to learn...the road to riches is not being on some sacred mission to oneself but interacting with all strangers / friends and family ...to only look at life as this self journey is selfish and self centered ....the buddist way meaning "the way of life" or "dicipline of the awakened one"is to acept all as equal ......the Zoroastrians motto is "good thoughts, good deeds, good words......karma is undenianble.."like everything in nature,the life of man is subject to the laws of cause and effect"and this is not attainable by forgetting or choosing not to remember our youth,teens,20's 30's and so on. Truth knows neither birth nor death:it has no beginning and no end...Truth gives unto mortals the boon of immortality.............Z
Z.ANON???
thank you for gracing me with your presence.
of course not every one travels the same path--that is most obvious by the world we live in today.
of course one should be open to learning from all sorts of people wherever they might come from.
that is having an open mind and the willingness to extend oneself beyond who one thought one was and is.
you say:.
'when you think you know everything ..thats when you start to learn...'
i do not think that if this was the case you are able to assimilate much---how much humility is there in not being open enough and knowing it all---there is not much space left over.
the next interesting bit you offer is :
'the road to riches is not being on some sacred mission to oneself but interacting with all strangers / friends and family ...to only look at life as this self journey is selfish and self centered'
is this a personal opinion or something that you know for a fact, because it seems that for someone who quotes:
.'the buddist way meaning "the way of life" or "dicipline of the awakened one"is to acept all as equal ......the Zoroastrians motto is "good thoughts, good deeds, good words......karma is undenianble..'
you seem to be passing a judgement and the two do not gel together.
there was never any mention of trying to forget one's teens,twenties or thirties---your take is :
'"like everything in nature,the life of man is subject to the laws of cause and effect"and this is not attainable by forgetting or choosing not to remember our youth,teens,20's 30's and so on.'
---the reference and analogy is made to surviving in this reality and coping with what is around one in an emotional way and trying to let go of the emotions to move forward.it is not about being forgetful--it is about being observant and paying attention to the details in life so that the lessons may be learned.it is so easy and less painful when one remains oblivious.
one can read many books and follow many paths and it is only when one faces one's own demons and experiences these not as a belief and hearsay from the words or speech of someone else, will one inevitably discover their own authentic truth and know who they are and what they stand for and it does not come from the pages of any book.---
from belief into self knowingness.
last but not least---their is no immortality or the boon of immortality in our present physical vehicle.
the spirit or the soul is energy and as energy cannot be destroyed--thinking that there is this elusive immortality is looking at it through the frailty of the human condition and making a promise that could not possibly come true for any human being.
when one passes from this world --there is no point of view---it is and will always be .
thank you for stopping by .
leave the darkness of your shadowed anonymity and show the magnificence
of who you truly are.
mille grazie
Anonymous said...
re "the persistance of the memory"
to remove the barb is easy ...a moment of pain and then the healing.....but what if the barb is attached to a responsibility...do we shirk the responsibility in favour of our own needs or do we take out the barb but accept the responsibility as part of our path and a way of giving even if we "think" we have the right reason not to.....mabey we need a third voice to know the difference....religion is made up of people who "think" they are right................Z
HELLO Z.ANON,
the removal of the emotional "barbs" in life is a process-- it takes acknowledgement, willingness, courage, tenacity,resilience and the determination to move oneself from a place which one realises you can not move any further and the only way out is to take the ultimate resonsibility for oneself and leave the pain behind to try and heal oneself.
this is not an easy task and depending on the individual situation and circumstances it will take time.
you ask if one should shirk responsibility---this is about taking responsibility and becoming whole again.
if the emotional barb is such as to cause one so much pain and anguish and it immoblises one how can one function and take the responsibility .
when it is too much just to look after self, then trying to get to a space of wholeness can not be considered as selfish.
i am not sure what you mean when you say you have 'the right reason not to.....'
on the third voice----i can never prescribe what is right for one or the other....religion hold a lot of wisdom and that is across the board...it is a personal decision...whatever one decides to believe in, one should have a broad vision and not limit oneself to the singular---but yet again that is something that has worked on my journey and the shoe does not fit everyone.
i thank you for your input---the journey i have travelled has had aspects of the darkness and the pain--the one thing that i have learned on this journey is that the essence of the human condition is alike, only the situations and the intensity differs.
we might think that we are alone--but all around us are people who are in the same boat and sometimes too afraid of the consequences---i have never claimed to be an expert on anything--i am just a spiritual being having a human journey and trying to cope with the daily grind like every one else. if anything the sense is not that i have arrived---it is that i have just begun and i am willing to expand myself till the last breath.
thanks
The emotional barb does cloud the vision and the decisions made can and sometimes are notjust ...if not taking the responsibility, this path causes pain to others... have we this right in our quest to find our own space and
"look after self"...mabey if we pushed the envelope and used another perception we would see things a bit different..remembering it is not just what we get out that opens the soul but more important what we put in....and that is karma............Z
Hi derrick... no post today? well since no read posted today from you i had the time to reread your lengthy post... and i could not help but to make an additional comment...
The fulfillment of the purpose of one's spiritual obligation is not selfishness...
To know your purpose is to determine whether you are fit to interact with others...for how can you do so if you do not have the BETTER YOU...
I think the journey that is at hand is not only the self but the self in connection with others.
in my humble opinion...
Knowing everything does not make you realize you are learning something... because once you think YOU KNOW EVERYTHING there is no more room for an outside input but you rely with your own wisdom which as they say is a part of one's foolishness rather than his or her wisdom.
and I have a question...
is Knowing everything connected to being self righteous? I am just curious... for if so then if one is self righteous then there would be a case of In flagrante Delicto... caught in itself of the flaw you abhor from others?
if a barb of painful memories are coupled with undertaking both should be defined away from each other... one should learn from it but not dwell on ... tag the lesson along but not the resentment...what would be lifted are not the undertakings but the grief and pain caused by the sharp pangs ... and lessons are left just as a scar remains on its skin...
Again with all due respct...
The truth will always have 3 sides.... and one should see both sides inorder to see throurh the third...which is the authentic one...
Nothing much and no offense intended ...I just could not help but to butt in...in your interaction...very fascinating.. tnx people
z.anon,
there will always be a clouding of the issues when one is in the throws of emotional distress--there are times when what one does cause pain and that has to be acknowledged in the situation--it is not just a right to move forward, it is an obligation unto the spiritual self to realise who one is--life is a learning curve---this is not about taking reckless action--it is about trying to fill the emptiness and the same time be a loving human being---the more one is able to let go and surrender the past and the emotions --the more one is able to put the emphasis on the present --being responsible for self and those around one and gleaning the benefits of a life that has balance and is filled with joy--to be able to give and receive--it is not a one way street of just taking!
thanks
anto,
hello,
yes,
the fulfilling of purpose of one's spiritual obligation is definately not selfish....
by doing this one is on the road to a better self and by being a better self one interacts in different ways with people.
i did mention on an earlier interaction with zanon that it is not just about knowing everything---it is a balance between increasing one's knowledge, assimilating what one learns into practice and moving forward--this process never has a end--it is chasing infinity and being humble enough to listen attentively and gain one's own intuitive wisdom.
about knowing everything....there is no possible way that any human being is able to know everything--it is only when one places oneself on that pedestal that one becomes arrogant and less tolerant of others.
the excitement in life is that one can never know everything and that every day ,if one is open, one is able to rejoice and celebrate the life one has and is prepared to push that envelope in that discovery.
too often as adults or just as human beings we become bogged down and do not see what is and always will be there right in front of our noses.
the truth--yes one should not just see one perspective because that cannot be the whole truth---to be able to find the authentic truth of self goes a long way in one's quest in fulfilling one's spiritual obligation and to be able to discern the truth not just with the mental mind of intellect but with the being as a whole.
you are being modest when you say nothing much and no offense taken --if one is open enough then the emotional reactiveness falls away and one is able to see rather just look.
thank you for all your input
mille grazie
coffee calling!!
On reading through a few of your writings there are references to youth/pain/emotional anchours facing ones own demons & filling the emptiness. A thought crossed my mind that it is very hard to FEEL what another person has experienced in there youth or as an adult...A child could be molested/abused/manipulated/beaten etc....what I dont know and then cannot feel is what your starting point of reference is and as"piercing the veil "writes"one should learn from but not dwell on the experience that causd the scar"........and as she writes "there must always be three sides".But then again I do not know whether the experience was of such a soul destroying nature...you emphasize the self...all is first for the self.
shinto: 4 affirmations
love of nature
tradition and family
physical cleanliness
and "matsuri" honour the spirits.
Confucianism:fundamental values
Li..ritual,propriety
Hsiao..love among family members
Yi..righteousnes
Xin..honesty & trustworthiness
Jen..benevolence toward others
Chung..Loyalty to the state???
They all combine karma with learning and giving,truth and honesty....
my question still is, if moving forward hurts people should we not find a balance(yin yang)as this hurting "Cannot" be good for our soul...(unless one does not realise the hurt being caused)
Derick says:"if the emotional barb is such as to cause one so much pain and anguish and it immoblises one how can one function and take the responsibility .
when it is too much just to look after self, then trying to get to a space of wholeness can not be considered as selfish........
It is mabey not selfish but there are people out there who would stand up and help...people who mabey realise that on there path they need to give of themselves to help gain the spiritual learning they desire....We do not only have a obligation to other people BUT to there spirits as well..........
WE MIGHT ALL HAVE OUR OWN SET OF LUNGS BUT WE ALL BREATHE THE SAME AIR........................
(AHURA MAZDA / ANGRA MAINYU
...............................Z
Good afternoon…
I am sorry but i am not well acquainted with all the practices you have mentioned Z... I only speak of what I know and I must admit i do not know all...
we all have barbs and not all have the same.. it is relative .. meaning case to case basis..so it is hard to have a uniform startng point...it depends on that which have caused you pain... it does not necessarily mean o
physical abuse etc etc.. as Z mentioned ot all lead to the same path or agree to the same...
I mentioned about the 3 sides of truth: and more often than not almost everyone claims to know the truth or to know were to fing the truth... what i meant for the 3 sides is in between contesting minds and claiming what is real... both of them has version of the truth... it is in balancing the claimed truth of each to assimilate and judge for one to see the third side... which is the unbiased one... (often believed in judgemnt in courts)
and sometimes we beleive we have found the truth ...but little do we know it is not really the truth but a combination of our own biased beliefs not looking to the other side ... meaning being objective of the situation and not subjective...
well nice exchange of thoughts u guys...
btw derrick
tnx for dropping by derrick
as usual coffe break and stogs here
anto
z anon,
the experiences of the past are truly past--i do not hold onto the emotions of any negative experience.
what i write about concerning youth is not that i am chained to that time--i am around youth--my own children and see the same things cropping up.
what one sees when reading a blog such as mine is not the whole picture of who i am and what i do and accomplish on a daily basis and my interaction with family and friends.
to trawl and analise what i have written and then make a pronouncement on who i am and what you think ,is a assumption.
there can never be a whole picture.
your quote of mine is in answer to a question you put about the shirking of responsibilities...
life is never lived in a vacumn ---it is lived with interaction and yes they are people who will stand up and help because of the collective resposibility of all souls and there karma---but your point is to assume that this is not true in my life when all you have to go by is the blog and this blog is not a day to day of what i do.
as i have said before you are the one who is hiding behind a cloak of anonymity.
part of what i think and feel is here for all to read and see.
emerge from the shadows of assumption and reveal your truth.
you are quoting other philosophies and religions ,where do you stand in the real life and not in the life of books.
all your comments are based on what you have studied or read will the real anonymous please stand up and be counted.
if you are prepared to talk the talk then take the walk with all of us and start opening up.
thank you for a stimulating interaction--it is always welcomed
anto, hello,
agreed it is definately difficult to be totally objective.
when one has stood at the doorway and faced one's own demise , it tends to change things just a tad off the norm.
the challenge is to unravel waht one thinks to be true and be open enough in the process to see that there is subjectivity and there will never be total objectivity unless one is a master, who has committed themselves to seeking out the truth and even when they find it, it is still there truth although their wisdom shines through.
thanks
take care
I did not mean to put you on the defensive....I agree I cannot know all of you by your blog alone and there must be more to you than is on the blog....But...This journey that you have undertaken is you and what you stand for and believe and the writings reflect your life system...and your writing does reflect how you have handled the journey till this point...I then feel I have a window to your soul and you would not be writing on the blog if it was not a true reflection of your being...and so on reading your work(life) a person can get a better picture of you..I do assume you are not two people being one on the blog and one in real life.....re the reading and learning from books....they are like manuals of very wise people who spent years travelling on there journey...in reading a person gains a wisdom that can be applied to life on our quest....like people reading your blog or some of the people who visit your blog and gaining some wisdom....a wannabe mechanic can read as many books as he wants but it is only when he starts working on cars that he gains the wisdom......why do I need to re invent the wheel..I think it is you who are now assuming because I am passing on some learning from wise people from our past and yes out of books that we do not stand in the "real life" as you put it........are you saying that some of your learning is not based on reading or having read..... and why am I hiding behind a cloak of anonymity....would a name / race / birth sign / what movies I like / books I read make any difference or only serve to pigeon hole the spirit..........walk the walk / talk the talk as you put it ...can any of us humans walk the walk.
(AHURA MAZDA / ANGRA MAINYU.......
............................Z
anon,
"When shall I know, O Mazda, whether through truth you have control over anything, the fear of which frightens me. Let the pronouncement of good thoughts be told me truly. May the benefactor know of what kind his reward will be."
- Yasna 48:9
harvesp-khudaa
harvesp-aagaah
abadah
abee-anjaam
'the honey is always sweeter when it is taken from the hive'
'to pick rice, you have to wet the feet'
'one does not have to see the outside,when listening to the rain'
thank you for your visits
again can i but in...
Z.. your comparison of being a wanna be mechanic with the journey is too technical... being so is a skill that you need a hands on in order to be a mechanic ...sure there is a uniform technic to be one..
but then again what we are dealing here is about a universal knowledge... about life...which can be picked up not by own experiences alone... but by common sense... experiences of others...
we do not need to touch a hot pot in a flaming stove to say it is realy hot....
when one shares about the insight of life.. one does need to cite bibliographies of authorities.. for it is not a term paper... life is not a skill to be read and as always should be practiced inorder to learn about it... it is innate in man to know something about it and still clamor to learn from others although lives of each are not in all fours...
guys...not all people are skilled.. mechanic...or doctors... or lawyers but all have been given the gift of life hence in some way or another each of which has a little inkling of what is life... some may pick up that knowledge to apply it in their lives... others may just leave it as it is...but what is important is to respect each other's belief or opinion...
what are you two talking about??? is it a religion or something??? for i am lost on your verses pls educate me..
WHAT IS: AHURA MAZDA / ANGRA MAINYU
YASNA
harvesp-khudaa
harvesp-aagaah
abadah
abee-anjaam
???
HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY
very clever....so you have read....so you can quote.....
harvesp-khudaa
harvesp-aagaah
abadah
abee-anjaam
meaning...................
LORD OF ALL
ALL KNOWING
WITHOUT BEGINNING
WITHOUT END
If I did not know better I would say you are being patronising.
That the path is covered does not mean there is no path ....not seeing the people in front or behind you does not mean they are not there......does having worked out (AHURA MAZDA / ANGRA MAINYU take away my anon and does it feel like you now know me?????
There are many paths and many clearings we have only played in one....................I looked forward to a good answer re my last visit 14 feb?????????
YUM CIMIL..............Z
RE your first quote..... When shall I know, O Mazda,whether through truth you have control over anything.......
is this not assuming you are in the position to pass judgement and have enough knowledge to decide??.................Z
piercing the veil
you write
"we do not need to touch a hot pot in a flaming stove to say it is realy hot...."
I think we all need to touch the hot plate at least one time in our lives...we need to feel to know..
to experience ...to taste the sweet and the sour...to know what does not work and what does..to know who can be relied on and who cant.....and how many of us touch this plate more than one time....Z
p.s. but in any time.....
anon,
reading is important--gaining knowledge--but it is how one integrates this into the world and every day life.
you missed out my shorter comments and took it that there was no reply, hence looking forward to what i respond with.
the honey is always sweeter when it is taken from the hive'
'to pick rice, you have to wet the feet'
'one does not have to see the outside,when listening to the rain'
you say:
and why am I hiding behind a cloak of anonymity....would a name / race / birth sign / what movies I like / books I read make any difference or only serve to pigeon hole the spirit..........walk the walk / talk the talk as you put it ...can any of us humans walk the walk.
no, none of that makes a real difference...it is what is on the inside--but you go on to say are there any who walk the walk....each spiritual being in their own way tries to....you are dismissing all of humanity...and equating all with godlike qualities which no one can ever live up to in your eyes.
the idea behind a journey of spirit is that wherever one is in their life, they can make the conscious effort to go further and develop their spiritual side...who are we to stand in judgement of anyones progress---and if we do that is
being elitist and above all.
you defacate--you bleed--you are a human being.
that about covers 14 feb again.
thanks
anon,
yes i can read and google--
my interest was piqued to see the meaning--
the quote---no i am not been patronising or assuming anything---you make it sound that no one is worthy enough to even quote the quote without knowing like you yourself do---which i do not doubt in the least.
the names of god--101 of them and thew festival taken during baj interested me and i picked the one's that i resonated with.
knowing what you sign off with does not take away your hallowed status of anonymity at all--how could that be possible, unless....get to that later.
you say there are many field of play---this is like a kinf of intelectual challenge---between the upstart---that's me and the master --that is you.
i am sure that you enjoy chess.
so now the next one is yum cimil---
what an absolutely charming character...also known as AH-PUCH
AH-PUCH likes to surface at night and skulk around in really scary mode. A putrefying corpse with an owl's head is his favorite outfit. Wishing to look the part he uses the eyes of the dead to add the finishing touches to his headgear. One of his nicknames is 'The Flatulent One', which is not something we care to investigate further.
For some reason AH-PUCH often has bells tied to his hair, but he is not being cute. What he does when he homes in on a victim is worse than you need to imagine...
There is only one way to escape his attentions. Howl! Shriek! Moan! Scream! Give it your best shot. Sound utterly convincing. AH-PUCH will then assume you are already being dealt with by some of his lesser demons. He will stop outside your door to sigh "Ah..." and pass by with a grim smile.
But AH-PUCH, the Lord of Death and Patron God of the number 10, will get you in the end. He uses MUAN, the evil bird of bad tidings, as his messenger. To this day the legend persists that when an owl screeches, someone nearby will die. If you hear a hoot, take a deep breath and count to 10.
SO NOW YOU HAVE BOLTED ON THE CAPE OF THE LORD OF DARKNESS.
THANKS
INIDUOH EPACSE
ANON, this is what is coming through to me---you are male--in mid forties to late fifties--you live in the america's---north america---probably canada---ontario or toronto---you are a teacher----history/religion---it is your passion--travelled widely---grew up catholic---moved on due to an incident??!!---sought out the obscure and found that they offered you more than the rest of humanity and that point in your life--as much as you carry the knowledge and light, you are also the keeper of something darker---there are secrets---you enjoy your own company and retreat into a room which is filled with books, antiquities and pictures
does all this matter--- no
where does it come from --the above--the images float through my head and i thought i should write them down .
au revoir
AHURA MAZDA / ANGRA MAINYU
representing good and bad not as in yin yang balance....
YUM CIMIL I have not donned the cape of the lord of darkness simply thought an interesting character....he might stop at the door if he hears the moans ect.But he does recognise his own and knows who he is.....and he does get things done in the end.....
you are by no means an upstart and I am defiitely not a master.....but a game this all is .....and if there is a point to it all ....it will come out....
I like your summing up and you would get a shock or mabey it would be expected if you were right.......BUT unfortunately the only part that is right is the age....the rest is so far from the person as north pole is from south.....
a little something from me..
when death arrives it comes like a thief in the night...taking a loved one, a hero to all away....the feeling of helplessness that is like the wind on the darkest of nights leaving behind all who loved...the scene plays out thousands of times and each time becoming more etched on the brain....a flame of memory that nothing can put out....and then there are other considerations
and responsibilities that come with the death but standing alone on the cliff edge facing the storm,feeling the raging wind and rain as it howls up the face of the cliff, one wants to mabey see if the legends are true that if you believe you can fly you will...
ti-tsang wang............Z
anon,
standing alone on the cliff edge facing the storm,feeling the raging wind and rain as it howls up the face of the cliff, one wants to mabey see if the legends are true that if you believe you can fly you will...
ti-tsang wang............Z
THAT ABOUT SUMS UP HOW ONE SHOULD FACE LIFE.....
NAMASTE
THAT ABOUT SUMS UP HOW ONE SHOULD FACE LIFE.....
I agree but if 80% of the mind tells you that you have overstepped the mark and to jump is to fall and this thought does not scare you and it is very sad that one must stand alone because people (family) do not share the same moral, responsible and unselfish outlook on that life and this brings me full circle to my question......if the path that a person is on to attain wisdom and peace hurts people in the process is this cosidered collateral damage and how would you think it affects the ultimate goal and ones karma because they say "what you put in you get out" and as we know "all is a circle".........
ti-tsang wang............Z
anon,
this does not have to be a literal thing--no matter who is around one ,one always has to make the final decision--that is being alone on a cliff edge.
for me it would not be a selfish decision--i would rather put others before me--i am never alone--in the sense that all the connections to the greater picture in life are evident.
it is not just about me.
to throw a stone into a pond and watch the perfect ripples traveling in concentric circles outwards and to see the beauty is to see one's life and it's purpose for what it truly represents.
all actions have ripples!
thanks
hello...
i am back...
still no one had ever cleared my mind what verses are you guys quoting about....
z
to know that the pot in a flaming stove is a hot without experence is a way of emphasizing that there are things in life known although bereft of experience and only answers as an emphasis of using technical hypothetical examples which is not all fours with what you want to emphasize...
true there are some people who wants to touch the pot in a hot stove although the say that the flame.... but i do not agree with your declaration:
"I think we all need to touch the hot plate at least one time in our lives...we need to feel to know..
to experience ...to taste the sweet and the sour...to know what does not work and what does..to know who can be relied on and who cant.....and how many of us touch this plate more than one time....Z"
because not ALL people would still want to try to touch it... after all because it has been perceived that it is hot.... unlike with what you have used as one being a good mechanic.... you cannot perceived and you cannot not be A GOOD ONE unless you study the books and put it into practice...
and that is not apllicable in the reality of life.... for if so then are you saying that those who cannot cite and know the teachings and practices of what you have just cited does not know how to live life better to those learned scholars?
And if that is the way you want to comment on a declaration .... well so be it...
Not all wants to be a good mechanic ..and it is not I think a best example for what your point would want to be...
and perhaps some of that would only want to trouble shoot... just the basics and you can just learn this by instructions or by seeing someone do it....
Deal with the issue
... stick to the walls of a topic..
..and do not speak for ALL....
seems your declarations assume that you know ALL of the population...
just answering.... good day
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